Comments on: Erik Buell Racing to Provide 1125R Racing Motorcycles and Racing Parts http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2009/11/20/erik-buell-racing-to-provide-1125r-racing-motorcycles-and-racing-parts/ Motorcycle News for Positive People Sat, 26 May 2012 02:39:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Jar http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2009/11/20/erik-buell-racing-to-provide-1125r-racing-motorcycles-and-racing-parts/#comment-267324 Jar Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:14:06 +0000 http://thekneeslider.com/?p=9205#comment-267324 To Kneeslider/Rashomon Left over parts is one thing, the ability to construct those same parts another. Where are the tools to construct those pieces, a dumpster, or collecting dust somewhere in HD, or somewhere else? 1125R was a 2010 model, therefore eligible for competition (what is left of it). So, EB starts EBR company, grabs up his "core" group of folks to continue the on track effort - why? What do you think EB's non-compete looks like? Would it include a racing effort, or would it only speak to street legal vehicles? If a non-compete would preclude chasing a streetbike now, how better to keep the "core" group together, continuing development for a time - say the length of a "non-compete" duration - in order to drop the next gen production bike sometime later? Of course, tools would be important for that, assuming next gen chassis works would be quite similar. What if that next gen powertrain (Rotax no doubt), was something quite special, something interesting? Of course, a guy would still need distribution, right? Even a sweet chassis, with a sweet motor would need an outlet, or you're going no where. Wonder where a superbike caliber, Rotax powered, taut chassis thought might find an outlet? Can no one else smell Can-Am? I think EB was entirely frustrated with the way BMC was handled at HD. I think he would be wiser the 2nd time around, and with an outfit that takes powertrain as seriously as EB thinks on the chassis side, we could yet see a remarkable return. Different in every sense, so to speak...... If so, I hope he gets happy. It's likely been awhile. To Kneeslider/Rashomon
Left over parts is one thing, the ability to construct those same parts another.
Where are the tools to construct those pieces, a dumpster, or collecting dust somewhere in HD, or somewhere else?

1125R was a 2010 model, therefore eligible for competition (what is left of it). So, EB starts EBR company, grabs up his “core” group of folks to continue the on track effort – why?

What do you think EB’s non-compete looks like?

Would it include a racing effort, or would it only speak to street legal vehicles?
If a non-compete would preclude chasing a streetbike now, how better to keep the “core” group together, continuing development for a time – say the length of a “non-compete” duration – in order to drop the next gen production bike sometime later?
Of course, tools would be important for that, assuming next gen chassis works would be quite similar.

What if that next gen powertrain (Rotax no doubt), was something quite special, something interesting? Of course, a guy would still need distribution, right? Even a sweet chassis, with a sweet motor would need an outlet, or you’re going no where. Wonder where a superbike caliber, Rotax powered, taut chassis thought might find an outlet?

Can no one else smell Can-Am?

I think EB was entirely frustrated with the way BMC was handled at HD. I think he would be wiser the 2nd time around, and with an outfit that takes powertrain as seriously as EB thinks on the chassis side, we could yet see a remarkable return.

Different in every sense, so to speak……

If so, I hope he gets happy. It’s likely been awhile.

]]> By: SteveD http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2009/11/20/erik-buell-racing-to-provide-1125r-racing-motorcycles-and-racing-parts/#comment-267250 SteveD Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:30:47 +0000 http://thekneeslider.com/?p=9205#comment-267250 We will never have an American sportbike unless people buy it. More to the point, they have to buy it when it's not perfect. No company is going to be able to compete with Honda et al or Ducati et al straight out of the gate in terms of both price and performance. A good bike is going to cost considerably more (the Roehr) or be a price competitive one with some flaws (Buell?). You just can't whip up an inline four out of the air. A successful American sportbike is going to need someone like HD or Polaris (or some American company) behind them willing to spend money with little hope of return for a while. Buell's bikes where perfeclty fine for most riders skill levels but they still went with Japanese or Euro bikes with power few could use. I'm not sure how anyone expects such a bike to actually emerge. We will never have an American sportbike unless people buy it. More to the point, they have to buy it when it’s not perfect. No company is going to be able to compete with Honda et al or Ducati et al straight out of the gate in terms of both price and performance. A good bike is going to cost considerably more (the Roehr) or be a price competitive one with some flaws (Buell?). You just can’t whip up an inline four out of the air. A successful American sportbike is going to need someone like HD or Polaris (or some American company) behind them willing to spend money with little hope of return for a while. Buell’s bikes where perfeclty fine for most riders skill levels but they still went with Japanese or Euro bikes with power few could use. I’m not sure how anyone expects such a bike to actually emerge.

]]> By: Tom Robertson http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2009/11/20/erik-buell-racing-to-provide-1125r-racing-motorcycles-and-racing-parts/#comment-267232 Tom Robertson Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:05:04 +0000 http://thekneeslider.com/?p=9205#comment-267232 The 750cc HD KR gave HD a 250cc displacement advantage over the 500s of the day to be competitive...so now HD needs a 525cc advantage over 600cc bikes to be competitive...seems as if American engineering progress is going backwards? The 750cc HD KR gave HD a 250cc displacement advantage over the 500s of the day to be competitive…so now HD needs a 525cc advantage over 600cc bikes to be competitive…seems as if American engineering progress is going backwards?

]]> By: tim http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2009/11/20/erik-buell-racing-to-provide-1125r-racing-motorcycles-and-racing-parts/#comment-267222 tim Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:17:55 +0000 http://thekneeslider.com/?p=9205#comment-267222 "RAshomon" is Erik Buell, of course! why didnt I pick it sooner! The murdered Samurai himself..... “RAshomon” is Erik Buell, of course! why didnt I pick it sooner! The murdered Samurai himself…..

]]> By: Nicolas http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2009/11/20/erik-buell-racing-to-provide-1125r-racing-motorcycles-and-racing-parts/#comment-267216 Nicolas Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:06:00 +0000 http://thekneeslider.com/?p=9205#comment-267216 If I remember correctly, the man Erik Buell himself posted a comment on the Kneeslider not too far ago ... Paul, can't you send him an email and ask for update/news, as a kind on unformal interview or sthg ? (probably not possible due to contract terms w/ HD) If I remember correctly, the man Erik Buell himself posted a comment on the Kneeslider not too far ago … Paul, can’t you send him an email and ask for update/news, as a kind on unformal interview or sthg ? (probably not possible due to contract terms w/ HD)

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