Comments on: AMA Addresses Issue of Loud Pipes on Motorcycles http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2009/02/10/ama-addresses-issue-of-loud-pipes-on-motorcycles/ Motorcycle News for Positive People Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:09:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: SM http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2009/02/10/ama-addresses-issue-of-loud-pipes-on-motorcycles/#comment-275770 SM Wed, 28 Apr 2010 08:29:14 +0000 http://thekneeslider.com/?p=4439#comment-275770 I'm a Soldier currently deployed to Iraq. In my time over here I know that loud noises can scare the socks of your feet, but they can also alert you. I believe loud pipes are needed, but to an extent. Riders and cagers should both use their eyes and ears. Allthough I know alot of cagers have loud sound systems. I have one myself in my car. The best way to avoid a wreck is to maintain situational awarness. Know what is going on around you. The roads in Iraq are a nightmare. With bombs, children, people, and live stock traveling them. The condition of the roads themselfs are hard to navigate from all the pot holes and weather damage. I drive these roads and have to yet get into an accident or do something that I didnt want to do. Other Soldiers and I do this by keeping what the Army have taught us. Maintaning situational awarness. I’m a Soldier currently deployed to Iraq. In my time over here I know that loud noises can scare the socks of your feet, but they can also alert you. I believe loud pipes are needed, but to an extent. Riders and cagers should both use their eyes and ears. Allthough I know alot of cagers have loud sound systems. I have one myself in my car. The best way to avoid a wreck is to maintain situational awarness. Know what is going on around you. The roads in Iraq are a nightmare. With bombs, children, people, and live stock traveling them. The condition of the roads themselfs are hard to navigate from all the pot holes and weather damage. I drive these roads and have to yet get into an accident or do something that I didnt want to do. Other Soldiers and I do this by keeping what the Army have taught us. Maintaning situational awarness.

]]> By: Jay http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2009/02/10/ama-addresses-issue-of-loud-pipes-on-motorcycles/#comment-267107 Jay Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:46:15 +0000 http://thekneeslider.com/?p=4439#comment-267107 Well said, Cliff. I've read many sensible comments from good riders here. I have also read some that were not so sensible. You know, justifications for loud pipes. There are no justifications for loud pipes. NONE. Loud pipes are illegal. Really. There is also no such thing as 'biker rights', just as there is no such thing as 'motorists rights'. Operating a motor vehicle, motorcycles included, is a privilege bestowed on individual citizens by the states. Those privileges are contingent upon those individuals complying with the state's motor vehicle laws. No individual, or group of individuals, are granted exemption. to those laws. Loud pipes are illegal. We riders need to comply with the law. For motorcycles, the Code of Federal Regulations 40, part 205,sub part D and E says it all. We could use some actual enforcement of these laws for a change. Well said, Cliff. I’ve read many sensible comments from good riders here. I have also
read some that were not so sensible. You know, justifications for loud pipes. There
are no justifications for loud pipes. NONE. Loud pipes are illegal. Really. There is also
no such thing as ‘biker rights’, just as there is no such thing as ‘motorists rights’.
Operating a motor vehicle, motorcycles included, is a privilege bestowed on individual citizens by the states. Those privileges are contingent upon those individuals complying with the state’s motor vehicle laws. No individual, or group of individuals, are granted exemption. to those laws. Loud pipes are illegal. We riders need to comply with the law. For motorcycles, the Code of Federal Regulations 40, part 205,sub part D and E says it all. We could use some actual enforcement of these laws for a change.

]]> By: Cliff Wells http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2009/02/10/ama-addresses-issue-of-loud-pipes-on-motorcycles/#comment-258762 Cliff Wells Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:44:45 +0000 http://thekneeslider.com/?p=4439#comment-258762 Also, to those who think that loud pipes provide any measure of safety, here's my take on it: when you're in a car, it's difficult to tell which direction a sound is coming from. Loud pipes may indeed get the driver's attention, but now what you've done is take his or her attention off the road where it ought to be as they look around to see who the asshole is. If I'm driving next to someone (which I rarely do anyway), the last thing I want is for them to look at me, since that often means they'll start drifting into my lane. Also, the intimidation effect is a pretty stupid idea. Just ask police how many people crash right in front of them (or into them) because they got distracted by the sight of a police car. The best defense is: 1) keep a safe distance on all sides. 2) always pay attention and assume other drivers aren't. 3) don't make sudden, unexpected maneuvers and always expect that other drivers will. This is true whether you're in a car or on a bike. I can't count how many times I've been in my car and had other drivers attempt to drive directly into me. If you are counting on being seen, whether in a car or on a bike, then you are an accident (or casualty) waiting to happen. Also, to those who think that loud pipes provide any measure of safety, here’s my take on it: when you’re in a car, it’s difficult to tell which direction a sound is coming from. Loud pipes may indeed get the driver’s attention, but now what you’ve done is take his or her attention off the road where it ought to be as they look around to see who the asshole is. If I’m driving next to someone (which I rarely do anyway), the last thing I want is for them to look at me, since that often means they’ll start drifting into my lane. Also, the intimidation effect is a pretty stupid idea. Just ask police how many people crash right in front of them (or into them) because they got distracted by the sight of a police car.

The best defense is:

1) keep a safe distance on all sides.
2) always pay attention and assume other drivers aren’t.
3) don’t make sudden, unexpected maneuvers and always expect that other drivers will.

This is true whether you’re in a car or on a bike. I can’t count how many times I’ve been in my car and had other drivers attempt to drive directly into me. If you are counting on being seen, whether in a car or on a bike, then you are an accident (or casualty) waiting to happen.

]]> By: Cliff Wells http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2009/02/10/ama-addresses-issue-of-loud-pipes-on-motorcycles/#comment-258759 Cliff Wells Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:20:32 +0000 http://thekneeslider.com/?p=4439#comment-258759 @chris You said: "This is the USA. If you want to look like an idiot revving up your obnoxiously loud, untuned, technologically antiquate inefficient V-twin, than I think it’s great. I’m not a fan of loud bikes, but what I’m really not a fan of is our Government getting in the way of what we can and can’t do. Stop your ridiculous over regulation bandwagon, and start appreciating your freedom. " I don't recall any part of the constitution that gives the right to destroy the hearing of bystanders and wakes my kids up at night. Unlimited freedom is called anarchy. If that's really what you want, then I'm sure you'd agree that I have the right to bash the guy with loud pipes over the head with a crowbar, or perhaps give him a slight bump with my car when he passes by. There's limits to freedom just as there are limits to government regulation. Absolute freedom (anarchy) is just as bad as absolute government control (totalitarianism). Think about it. @chris

You said:
“This is the USA. If you want to look like an idiot revving up your obnoxiously loud, untuned, technologically antiquate inefficient V-twin, than I think it’s great. I’m not a fan of loud bikes, but what I’m really not a fan of is our Government getting in the way of what we can and can’t do. Stop your ridiculous over regulation bandwagon, and start appreciating your freedom. ”

I don’t recall any part of the constitution that gives the right to destroy the hearing of bystanders and wakes my kids up at night. Unlimited freedom is called anarchy. If that’s really what you want, then I’m sure you’d agree that I have the right to bash the guy with loud pipes over the head with a crowbar, or perhaps give him a slight bump with my car when he passes by. There’s limits to freedom just as there are limits to government regulation. Absolute freedom (anarchy) is just as bad as absolute government control (totalitarianism). Think about it.

]]> By: Dean W http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2009/02/10/ama-addresses-issue-of-loud-pipes-on-motorcycles/#comment-258355 Dean W Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:24:08 +0000 http://thekneeslider.com/?p=4439#comment-258355 "If you think loud pipes save lives, imagine learning to ride that thing" T-shirt: http://www.pjsparts.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=60&products_id=485 “If you think loud pipes save lives, imagine learning to ride that thing” T-shirt:
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