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	<title>Comments on: How About Some Real Motorcycle Innovation?</title>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2008/01/04/how-about-some-real-motorcycle-innovation/#comment-236864</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 17:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>European diesel cars cost much the same as petrol (sorry gasoline) cars. They are absolutely not 2 to 2.5 times more costly. The cost of making gasoline engines meet the latest emissions rules has been harder than it has for diesel. If we need proof look at how the UK taxes diesel more highly than petrol so the costs per mile are much the same.

Bike engines could be made much more efficient and not necessarily more costly. Blown and turbocharged 2 strokes would do it. They need no complex cylinder head and valves no expensive cam drives etc etc.   These engines would have a normal sump with air blown directly into the cylinder through piston ports. There would be no crankacse pumping losses and the blower and turbo are inherrantly simple rotary machines. With 2x the power pulses we would be making 2x the power. Volkwagen&#039;s road diesels are already making 100bhp per litre. A two stroke diesel could be doing 100bhp from 500cc. With all the torque available that would give today&#039;s R1bladabusaa a run for it&#039;s money.

Why dont we have them?  I think Stacius hit the nail. Bikers dont are more bothered about tradition than innovation. 

For example - 
Torque kills gearboxes so running one at high revs allows it to be smaller and lighter than one running at low revs. No arguments there, modern bikes rev to 16000+ to extract more power from lightweight parts.
In that case, why do the same bikes run the clutch and gearbox at 50% engine speed. The torque load is doubled demading heavier components and creating a slower gearchange. Tradition is very hard (if not impossible) to break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>European diesel cars cost much the same as petrol (sorry gasoline) cars. They are absolutely not 2 to 2.5 times more costly. The cost of making gasoline engines meet the latest emissions rules has been harder than it has for diesel. If we need proof look at how the UK taxes diesel more highly than petrol so the costs per mile are much the same.</p>
<p>Bike engines could be made much more efficient and not necessarily more costly. Blown and turbocharged 2 strokes would do it. They need no complex cylinder head and valves no expensive cam drives etc etc.   These engines would have a normal sump with air blown directly into the cylinder through piston ports. There would be no crankacse pumping losses and the blower and turbo are inherrantly simple rotary machines. With 2x the power pulses we would be making 2x the power. Volkwagen&#8217;s road diesels are already making 100bhp per litre. A two stroke diesel could be doing 100bhp from 500cc. With all the torque available that would give today&#8217;s R1bladabusaa a run for it&#8217;s money.</p>
<p>Why dont we have them?  I think Stacius hit the nail. Bikers dont are more bothered about tradition than innovation. </p>
<p>For example &#8211;<br />
Torque kills gearboxes so running one at high revs allows it to be smaller and lighter than one running at low revs. No arguments there, modern bikes rev to 16000+ to extract more power from lightweight parts.<br />
In that case, why do the same bikes run the clutch and gearbox at 50% engine speed. The torque load is doubled demading heavier components and creating a slower gearchange. Tradition is very hard (if not impossible) to break.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2008/01/04/how-about-some-real-motorcycle-innovation/#comment-116087</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, there are a lot of way to improve the efficiency of the motorcycle engines that are currently being produced. Innovation doesn&#039;t mean we need to revamp the entire thought process, but start making the minor changes that are most important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, there are a lot of way to improve the efficiency of the motorcycle engines that are currently being produced. Innovation doesn&#8217;t mean we need to revamp the entire thought process, but start making the minor changes that are most important.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Besal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Besal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who knows if diesels will smell any better with bio-fuels than they do with petroleum fuel. I&#039;ve said for decades that all diesel passenger vehicles should be required to have the exhaust pipe exit at the front end so their occupants can enjoy the same lovely diesel aroma that all the poor saps that have to follow them do. Really, what would a group of 40 or so diesel bikes riding formation (to Sturgis, for instance) smell like from behind? It probably won&#039;t do anything to help the image of motorcyclist in the public&#039;s eye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who knows if diesels will smell any better with bio-fuels than they do with petroleum fuel. I&#8217;ve said for decades that all diesel passenger vehicles should be required to have the exhaust pipe exit at the front end so their occupants can enjoy the same lovely diesel aroma that all the poor saps that have to follow them do. Really, what would a group of 40 or so diesel bikes riding formation (to Sturgis, for instance) smell like from behind? It probably won&#8217;t do anything to help the image of motorcyclist in the public&#8217;s eye.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo</title>
		<link>http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2008/01/04/how-about-some-real-motorcycle-innovation/#comment-110862</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Modern diesel engines are about 2-2.5 more expensive then &quot;normal&quot; engines and because the engine of the motorcycle is about half the cost of the complete motorcycle you can do the math ;)
If you look at current car engines like the Porsche 911 Turbo (which turns almost 7000rpm) it shows that modern turbo&#039;s combined with direct-injection (like the BMW 335i engine with twin-turbo) can make for a small engine with lot&#039;s of torque and high hp. Just imagine the Kawasaki 650 with this technology..off course the downside of al this technology will be price</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Modern diesel engines are about 2-2.5 more expensive then &#8220;normal&#8221; engines and because the engine of the motorcycle is about half the cost of the complete motorcycle you can do the math <img src='http://thekneeslider.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
If you look at current car engines like the Porsche 911 Turbo (which turns almost 7000rpm) it shows that modern turbo&#8217;s combined with direct-injection (like the BMW 335i engine with twin-turbo) can make for a small engine with lot&#8217;s of torque and high hp. Just imagine the Kawasaki 650 with this technology..off course the downside of al this technology will be price</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 19:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I think it would be a blast to pass someone and let them smell fries...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I think it would be a blast to pass someone and let them smell fries&#8230;</p>
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