<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Harley Davidson Dynamic Exhaust System Patent</title>
	<atom:link href="http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2007/11/21/harley-davidson-dynamic-exhaust-system-patent/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2007/11/21/harley-davidson-dynamic-exhaust-system-patent/</link>
	<description>Motorcycle News for Positive People</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:40:02 -0500</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2007/11/21/harley-davidson-dynamic-exhaust-system-patent/comment-page-1/#comment-261317</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2007/11/21/harley-davidson-dynamic-exhaust-system-patent/#comment-261317</guid>
		<description>Ever hear about the silent grey fellow? good old one cylinder Harley&#039;s, they had a muffler that had an built in bypass just like these with a few differences, like the ecu controlling the valve, ect. ect. you know one is modern the other was modern 100 years ago. And don&#039;t listing to F. John Davie I&#039;m afraid to say that he clearly only knows the base knowledge about engine operation, back pressure helps to cool the exhaust valve as well as clear the cylinder creating a vacuum to aid in drawing in fresh air as to this nonsense arguing over Harley, they are modern there goals may not be in line with yours the reader but they are modern and well made in both company and machine if you need proof read on, if not and your will to drop it at that just skip it you probably already know what is said.

myth does not run Harley Davidson, costumer loyalty does, myth does not drive costumer loyalty, experience does  long term experience, not just one or two years on the hottest rocket. And historical engines don&#039;t augment any of that if it did Royal Enfield India would be the company to beat. So why are Harley customers so loyal? Because years of dedicated engineering to a very few engines has led to a very stable fuel efficient (per engine size mind you) power plant as well as a long list of racing performance parts. (read that last little bit carefully I wrote RACING parts, and I mean it) and most of all they rely on the consumer only know what they want to know, most don&#039;t care for an 200 Hp machine but those that do it&#039;s there and possible (no matter how difficult). Mix that with an easy to repair engine, that has as few failure points as possible (read as; moving components that are vital to said engine running) and top it off with real good low end torque, and decorative tins that look like something out of the 50&#039;s (not really but most people don&#039;t know the difference) and you got a winner.

And if that is not enough to convince those whom criticize without true experience (no listing to the graybeard complain about the AMF years does not count those are long over)  think about this, how many of the naysayers of H-D would tattoo Honda, Suzuki or whatever; on your arm, back, or whatever? not many....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever hear about the silent grey fellow? good old one cylinder Harley&#8217;s, they had a muffler that had an built in bypass just like these with a few differences, like the ecu controlling the valve, ect. ect. you know one is modern the other was modern 100 years ago. And don&#8217;t listing to F. John Davie I&#8217;m afraid to say that he clearly only knows the base knowledge about engine operation, back pressure helps to cool the exhaust valve as well as clear the cylinder creating a vacuum to aid in drawing in fresh air as to this nonsense arguing over Harley, they are modern there goals may not be in line with yours the reader but they are modern and well made in both company and machine if you need proof read on, if not and your will to drop it at that just skip it you probably already know what is said.</p>
<p>myth does not run Harley Davidson, costumer loyalty does, myth does not drive costumer loyalty, experience does  long term experience, not just one or two years on the hottest rocket. And historical engines don&#8217;t augment any of that if it did Royal Enfield India would be the company to beat. So why are Harley customers so loyal? Because years of dedicated engineering to a very few engines has led to a very stable fuel efficient (per engine size mind you) power plant as well as a long list of racing performance parts. (read that last little bit carefully I wrote RACING parts, and I mean it) and most of all they rely on the consumer only know what they want to know, most don&#8217;t care for an 200 Hp machine but those that do it&#8217;s there and possible (no matter how difficult). Mix that with an easy to repair engine, that has as few failure points as possible (read as; moving components that are vital to said engine running) and top it off with real good low end torque, and decorative tins that look like something out of the 50&#8217;s (not really but most people don&#8217;t know the difference) and you got a winner.</p>
<p>And if that is not enough to convince those whom criticize without true experience (no listing to the graybeard complain about the AMF years does not count those are long over)  think about this, how many of the naysayers of H-D would tattoo Honda, Suzuki or whatever; on your arm, back, or whatever? not many&#8230;.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: F. John Davie</title>
		<link>http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2007/11/21/harley-davidson-dynamic-exhaust-system-patent/comment-page-1/#comment-105559</link>
		<dc:creator>F. John Davie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2007/11/21/harley-davidson-dynamic-exhaust-system-patent/#comment-105559</guid>
		<description>Sirs,
The IC engine is in effect a &#039;air-pump&#039;.
The greater mass of air that you can promote to pass through the engine, the greater its effectiveness. From the greater mass  airflow - the greater mass of fuel that can be burnt and energy produced.

For any given size of engine a measure of its efficacy is expressed in its ability to pump air. 
In a nutshell, get lots of the stuff into the cylinders - get the resultant combustion gasses out just as efficiently.

So called &#039;back-pressure&#039; has no place in an efficient exhaust system. The performance of any exhaust system (and by analogy the engine) is degraded by the degree of energy required to expel the combustion gases.
Where performance gains are to be made is in the area of pulse-tuning.  This being the art of using pulses in the hot exhaust gas to promote cylinder scavenging and prevent ‘charge’ loss.
 This could be where this (HD) system appears to score, in that two &#039;tuned lengths&#039; of header-pipe appear to be provided. However the header pipe(s) is just a component part along with the collector and tail pipe.
One just wonders, looking at the various diagrams how efficient the HD solution is with regard to header-pipes/collector and tailpipe.
My own experience with tuned exhausts (Road-race Sidecar outfits) demonstrated that significant gains could be made, BUT attention to the basic equations governing size and lengths was essential.  
The other thing to remember that with regard to ‘pulse-tuning’ the exhaust system ‘stops’ at the first major section change, which can be viewed as the entry of the tail pipe into the expansion box (silencer).
The iron rule however is test the ‘packages’ and believe that the Dyno never lies!!
My own analysis of the Exup valve was that it provided differing &#039;tuned&#039; header-pipe lengths.  However I never attempted a close look at the system.

Regards John Davie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sirs,<br />
The IC engine is in effect a &#8216;air-pump&#8217;.<br />
The greater mass of air that you can promote to pass through the engine, the greater its effectiveness. From the greater mass  airflow &#8211; the greater mass of fuel that can be burnt and energy produced.</p>
<p>For any given size of engine a measure of its efficacy is expressed in its ability to pump air.<br />
In a nutshell, get lots of the stuff into the cylinders &#8211; get the resultant combustion gasses out just as efficiently.</p>
<p>So called &#8216;back-pressure&#8217; has no place in an efficient exhaust system. The performance of any exhaust system (and by analogy the engine) is degraded by the degree of energy required to expel the combustion gases.<br />
Where performance gains are to be made is in the area of pulse-tuning.  This being the art of using pulses in the hot exhaust gas to promote cylinder scavenging and prevent ‘charge’ loss.<br />
 This could be where this (HD) system appears to score, in that two &#8216;tuned lengths&#8217; of header-pipe appear to be provided. However the header pipe(s) is just a component part along with the collector and tail pipe.<br />
One just wonders, looking at the various diagrams how efficient the HD solution is with regard to header-pipes/collector and tailpipe.<br />
My own experience with tuned exhausts (Road-race Sidecar outfits) demonstrated that significant gains could be made, BUT attention to the basic equations governing size and lengths was essential.<br />
The other thing to remember that with regard to ‘pulse-tuning’ the exhaust system ‘stops’ at the first major section change, which can be viewed as the entry of the tail pipe into the expansion box (silencer).<br />
The iron rule however is test the ‘packages’ and believe that the Dyno never lies!!<br />
My own analysis of the Exup valve was that it provided differing &#8216;tuned&#8217; header-pipe lengths.  However I never attempted a close look at the system.</p>
<p>Regards John Davie</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Wild Bill</title>
		<link>http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2007/11/21/harley-davidson-dynamic-exhaust-system-patent/comment-page-1/#comment-104071</link>
		<dc:creator>Wild Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 04:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2007/11/21/harley-davidson-dynamic-exhaust-system-patent/#comment-104071</guid>
		<description>About 40 years ago I bought my first motorcycle a 57 FLH HD Panhead and my life took a direction no one myself included could of ever imagined.I have 5 Harleys now and many miles,memories,scars and stories...I always did all my own mechanical work and had great success overhauling the outdated designed engines and trannys.The obsolete engineering was user friendly and led to creative repairs on the side of the road when something went wrong..No cell phones then by golly.I&#039;ve met some great human beings and have learned much in my journey.WHAT IS the point in the debate here anyway?Is anyone really going to have their mind changed...Come on...crank up your bike and lets go riding and flush our heads out..Everybody is right ha ha ha..I&#039;m outa here...yeeeehawwwww</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About 40 years ago I bought my first motorcycle a 57 FLH HD Panhead and my life took a direction no one myself included could of ever imagined.I have 5 Harleys now and many miles,memories,scars and stories&#8230;I always did all my own mechanical work and had great success overhauling the outdated designed engines and trannys.The obsolete engineering was user friendly and led to creative repairs on the side of the road when something went wrong..No cell phones then by golly.I&#8217;ve met some great human beings and have learned much in my journey.WHAT IS the point in the debate here anyway?Is anyone really going to have their mind changed&#8230;Come on&#8230;crank up your bike and lets go riding and flush our heads out..Everybody is right ha ha ha..I&#8217;m outa here&#8230;yeeeehawwwww</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Rashomon</title>
		<link>http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2007/11/21/harley-davidson-dynamic-exhaust-system-patent/comment-page-1/#comment-102822</link>
		<dc:creator>Rashomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2007/11/21/harley-davidson-dynamic-exhaust-system-patent/#comment-102822</guid>
		<description>Richard says: &gt;&gt;

Absolutely not true! The EPA references a SAE standard for noise measurement, which requires a full throttle ride-by in 2nd or 3rd gear (which is used depends on a formula based on gearing and peak power rpm) at a specified speed. While the standard is gamed by manufacturers (for example, by shutting the EXUP snuff-or-not during this time of acceleration, or by having the ECU reduce the opening of secondary throttle butterflys as used on many Japanese four-cylinders at a very specific speed), it represents a fairly realistic test of motorcycle exhaust noise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard says: &gt;&gt;</p>
<p>Absolutely not true! The EPA references a SAE standard for noise measurement, which requires a full throttle ride-by in 2nd or 3rd gear (which is used depends on a formula based on gearing and peak power rpm) at a specified speed. While the standard is gamed by manufacturers (for example, by shutting the EXUP snuff-or-not during this time of acceleration, or by having the ECU reduce the opening of secondary throttle butterflys as used on many Japanese four-cylinders at a very specific speed), it represents a fairly realistic test of motorcycle exhaust noise.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ry</title>
		<link>http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2007/11/21/harley-davidson-dynamic-exhaust-system-patent/comment-page-1/#comment-102796</link>
		<dc:creator>Ry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2007/11/21/harley-davidson-dynamic-exhaust-system-patent/#comment-102796</guid>
		<description>WOW!  Sure is alot of love in here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW!  Sure is alot of love in here.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
