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		<title>By: Michael Kebasso</title>
		<link>http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2006/09/27/motorcycle-builders-we-are-looking-for-you/#comment-45165</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Kebasso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 22:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey, true, I&#039;m an upcoming builder, I hasve build 7 or 8 bikes so far, dont keep track, but I have a genre of bikes that has come out, their called LLS, Long Low and Slickery, and basically its self explainable. 

Check out the LLS v.1 on 
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&amp;friendid=67835389

Its one pic, but soon they&#039;ll be more. ITs won the Donnie Smith ride in bike show twice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey, true, I&#8217;m an upcoming builder, I hasve build 7 or 8 bikes so far, dont keep track, but I have a genre of bikes that has come out, their called LLS, Long Low and Slickery, and basically its self explainable. </p>
<p>Check out the LLS v.1 on<br />
<a href="http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&#038;friendid=67835389" rel="nofollow">http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&#038;friendid=67835389</a></p>
<p>Its one pic, but soon they&#8217;ll be more. ITs won the Donnie Smith ride in bike show twice.</p>
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		<title>By: mel mackinnon</title>
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		<dc:creator>mel mackinnon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 22:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great idea! Encourage new builders, but maybe some of them can creat practical rather than the high dollar wunderbikes I keep seeing. Maybe there is someone out there that is able to take an inherently good, but asthetically challenged,( read goofy looking ) bike like a Suzuki Vstrom or a KLR650 Kawasaki . and do for it that which Vetter did for Triumph&#039;s Trident many years ago. Round headlights, a wide flat seat, clean cylindrical instruments, and a fuel tank that is practical for bopping around. I do not think it likely that I will be riding from Paris to Dakar anytime soon, and more than forty years riding tells me that most of you wont either, so a tank a bit more like a late 60&#039;s Triumph or a dirttracker  would be nice.  I am not talking about a Super Motard bike (again most riders wont ever even see a SM race unless its on TV) just a nice ride that you can take your girlfriend for a ride on without folding her up like a pretzel or jarring her kidneys out for the sake of style. There are good reasons why so many people rode in the 60s and 70s. There were lots of fun, speedy , non intimidating bikes to choose from. There is no question that there are better bikes around now but lots of them are very (make that VERY) fast or uncomfy.  Any ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea! Encourage new builders, but maybe some of them can creat practical rather than the high dollar wunderbikes I keep seeing. Maybe there is someone out there that is able to take an inherently good, but asthetically challenged,( read goofy looking ) bike like a Suzuki Vstrom or a KLR650 Kawasaki . and do for it that which Vetter did for Triumph&#8217;s Trident many years ago. Round headlights, a wide flat seat, clean cylindrical instruments, and a fuel tank that is practical for bopping around. I do not think it likely that I will be riding from Paris to Dakar anytime soon, and more than forty years riding tells me that most of you wont either, so a tank a bit more like a late 60&#8242;s Triumph or a dirttracker  would be nice.  I am not talking about a Super Motard bike (again most riders wont ever even see a SM race unless its on TV) just a nice ride that you can take your girlfriend for a ride on without folding her up like a pretzel or jarring her kidneys out for the sake of style. There are good reasons why so many people rode in the 60s and 70s. There were lots of fun, speedy , non intimidating bikes to choose from. There is no question that there are better bikes around now but lots of them are very (make that VERY) fast or uncomfy.  Any ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Case</title>
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		<dc:creator>Case</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 00:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, this does seem to be a good topic. I fully encourage people to be individuals and make what they want to make.

Not to knock any custom builder&#039;s out there, but let me make a clear distinction between a small-batch manufacturer and a custom bike shop.  

A custom shop will make a one-off creation based on their own personal artistic expression or by what their customer desires.  There is an art form to this type of work and it&#039;s been around since the beginning.  This would be similar to automotive coach builders, who take oem parts, chop &#039;em and re-arrange &#039;em into their own creation.  Custom.

However, once a coach builder moves away from taking custom orders and begins to manufacture in small volumes, it becomes a different type of business. Think Lamborghini.  They still build each supercar by hand, but as far as I know, they don&#039;t do too much custom work at the factory.  

Confederate doesn&#039;t build custom bikes either.  All Hellcats look the same. No flashy paint, no mods.  They are series built in small batches, but all of the batches are the same until the model changes.  I&#039;m not saying this is how everyone should do it, this is just how we do it.  The Wraith will be made the same way.  Only 250 will be made and all 250 will look the same.   

Critics may say the Wraith doesn&#039;t look like other bikes, or it&#039;s ugly  (I&#039;ve yet to meet someone in the professional design community who thinks it&#039;s ugly). But Confederate doesn&#039;t really poll the public to see if our designs are pretty. We have a philosophy here, and that philosophy is what fuels the designs.  That philosophy is why I joined the company.

While I&#039;m on the subject of the Wraith, I would like to challenge the critics to back up their words. You line your bike design up and I&#039;ll bring the Wraith.  Come on, it&#039;ll be fun!  Be prepared though, you might be slightly impressed that a bunch of slackers from the Big Easy could engineer something so primitive and exquisite.  If the board track racers of the &#039;20&#039;s would&#039;ve known how to put a knee down, this would have been their machine of choice.  I extend an open invitation to any open-minded motorcycle enthusiast to visit our factory and see it for them selves.  I&#039;ll show it to you myself.

All in all, the most significant differentiating factor between custom bikes and small-batch manufactured bikes is that the design process required to tool up for a run of high-quality manufactured bikes involves considerable testing, r&amp;d, and capital investment.  Unfortunately, this alone is enough of a deterrent to a lot of custom builders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, this does seem to be a good topic. I fully encourage people to be individuals and make what they want to make.</p>
<p>Not to knock any custom builder&#8217;s out there, but let me make a clear distinction between a small-batch manufacturer and a custom bike shop.  </p>
<p>A custom shop will make a one-off creation based on their own personal artistic expression or by what their customer desires.  There is an art form to this type of work and it&#8217;s been around since the beginning.  This would be similar to automotive coach builders, who take oem parts, chop &#8216;em and re-arrange &#8216;em into their own creation.  Custom.</p>
<p>However, once a coach builder moves away from taking custom orders and begins to manufacture in small volumes, it becomes a different type of business. Think Lamborghini.  They still build each supercar by hand, but as far as I know, they don&#8217;t do too much custom work at the factory.  </p>
<p>Confederate doesn&#8217;t build custom bikes either.  All Hellcats look the same. No flashy paint, no mods.  They are series built in small batches, but all of the batches are the same until the model changes.  I&#8217;m not saying this is how everyone should do it, this is just how we do it.  The Wraith will be made the same way.  Only 250 will be made and all 250 will look the same.   </p>
<p>Critics may say the Wraith doesn&#8217;t look like other bikes, or it&#8217;s ugly  (I&#8217;ve yet to meet someone in the professional design community who thinks it&#8217;s ugly). But Confederate doesn&#8217;t really poll the public to see if our designs are pretty. We have a philosophy here, and that philosophy is what fuels the designs.  That philosophy is why I joined the company.</p>
<p>While I&#8217;m on the subject of the Wraith, I would like to challenge the critics to back up their words. You line your bike design up and I&#8217;ll bring the Wraith.  Come on, it&#8217;ll be fun!  Be prepared though, you might be slightly impressed that a bunch of slackers from the Big Easy could engineer something so primitive and exquisite.  If the board track racers of the &#8217;20&#8242;s would&#8217;ve known how to put a knee down, this would have been their machine of choice.  I extend an open invitation to any open-minded motorcycle enthusiast to visit our factory and see it for them selves.  I&#8217;ll show it to you myself.</p>
<p>All in all, the most significant differentiating factor between custom bikes and small-batch manufactured bikes is that the design process required to tool up for a run of high-quality manufactured bikes involves considerable testing, r&amp;d, and capital investment.  Unfortunately, this alone is enough of a deterrent to a lot of custom builders.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Krembs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse Krembs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 00:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out Mike Cook&#039;s bike at http://www.americancaferacers.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out Mike Cook&#8217;s bike at <a href="http://www.americancaferacers.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.americancaferacers.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: hoyt</title>
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		<dc:creator>hoyt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Earlier I mentioned, &quot;Hopefully, this will spur more entreprenuers that will manufacture just about anything.&quot;

I&#039;d like to add -- manufacture just about anything including a wide &amp; varied range of motorcycles or motorcycle parts.  Case, I agree, it is absolutely crazy that the US has not had other motorcycle brands in so many years.

However, prior to WWII must have been a great time ! !  ...to have so many home-grown, high quality (relatively-speaking) motorcycles to choose.

(that also includes the automobile.....a trip to the Auburn Cord Duesenberg museum is worth it if you are passing through Indiana.)

Here&#039;s to living during a time that is poised to go through that industrial/information revolution part II.

http://acdmuseum.org/

http://www.emachineshop.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earlier I mentioned, &#8220;Hopefully, this will spur more entreprenuers that will manufacture just about anything.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to add &#8212; manufacture just about anything including a wide &amp; varied range of motorcycles or motorcycle parts.  Case, I agree, it is absolutely crazy that the US has not had other motorcycle brands in so many years.</p>
<p>However, prior to WWII must have been a great time ! !  &#8230;to have so many home-grown, high quality (relatively-speaking) motorcycles to choose.</p>
<p>(that also includes the automobile&#8230;..a trip to the Auburn Cord Duesenberg museum is worth it if you are passing through Indiana.)</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s to living during a time that is poised to go through that industrial/information revolution part II.</p>
<p><a href="http://acdmuseum.org/" rel="nofollow">http://acdmuseum.org/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.emachineshop.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.emachineshop.com/</a></p>
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