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		<title>By: kneeslider</title>
		<link>http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2006/06/30/motoczysz-unveiling-racebikes-at-laguna-seca/#comment-34336</link>
		<dc:creator>kneeslider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I stated above, I said JoeKing could wrap up his thoughts. I have shortened his response quite a bit since much might have required a rebuttal and then another response, etc. What follows is a very brief portion of his words:

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JoeKing&#039;s comment begins here:

Kneeslider,

I am from New York, &amp; as you may well imagine, bluntness is how you servive here. ...

I hold absolutely no animus toward Mr. Czysz, &amp; admire his perserverence in following a dream. My problem lies in the impossible goal he has set for his project. I am a realist...&amp; to encourage an unatainable dream would be disingenuous. ...

The &quot;professional opinion&quot; I was referring to was my background in psychology in the context of what I perceived as Mr.C&#039;s need for attention. ...

You said &quot;did you have a bad experience in your past that won&#039;t allow you to try something new&quot;...boy, you have me pigeon-holed..NOT. I have a room full of my &quot;revolutionary&quot; designs...difference between myself &amp; Mr. C, is that I&#039;ll let the world see my stuff..WHEN IT&#039;S READY. I don&#039;t require aggrandizement..I am self-actualized in taking satisfaction in the process of invention.


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And with that, we&#039;ll wrap up this thread.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I stated above, I said JoeKing could wrap up his thoughts. I have shortened his response quite a bit since much might have required a rebuttal and then another response, etc. What follows is a very brief portion of his words:</p>
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JoeKing&#8217;s comment begins here:</p>
<p>Kneeslider,</p>
<p>I am from New York, &amp; as you may well imagine, bluntness is how you servive here. &#8230;</p>
<p>I hold absolutely no animus toward Mr. Czysz, &amp; admire his perserverence in following a dream. My problem lies in the impossible goal he has set for his project. I am a realist&#8230;&amp; to encourage an unatainable dream would be disingenuous. &#8230;</p>
<p>The &#8220;professional opinion&#8221; I was referring to was my background in psychology in the context of what I perceived as Mr.C&#8217;s need for attention. &#8230;</p>
<p>You said &#8220;did you have a bad experience in your past that won&#8217;t allow you to try something new&#8221;&#8230;boy, you have me pigeon-holed..NOT. I have a room full of my &#8220;revolutionary&#8221; designs&#8230;difference between myself &amp; Mr. C, is that I&#8217;ll let the world see my stuff..WHEN IT&#8217;S READY. I don&#8217;t require aggrandizement..I am self-actualized in taking satisfaction in the process of invention.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>And with that, we&#8217;ll wrap up this thread.<br />
The Kneeslider</p>
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		<title>By: kneeslider</title>
		<link>http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2006/06/30/motoczysz-unveiling-racebikes-at-laguna-seca/#comment-34254</link>
		<dc:creator>kneeslider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 19:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me jump in again here and say Thank You to all of the participants in this thread, especially Michael Czysz, Ryan Taylor and yes, even JoeKing. I think this thread has run its course and I am going to end it here. JoeKing, if you wish to wrap up your thoughts, send me a comment through the contact tab at the top and I&#039;ll insert it here.

Thanks again to all participants,
The Kneeslider</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me jump in again here and say Thank You to all of the participants in this thread, especially Michael Czysz, Ryan Taylor and yes, even JoeKing. I think this thread has run its course and I am going to end it here. JoeKing, if you wish to wrap up your thoughts, send me a comment through the contact tab at the top and I&#8217;ll insert it here.</p>
<p>Thanks again to all participants,<br />
The Kneeslider</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Czysz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Czysz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 19:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JoeKing.

I do understand and respect your opinion.  As much as we try to control all aspects of our start up we don&#039;t.  The area we control the least is what is written about us or the type and size of photos published.  I spend all my time thinking, working and talking about the bike.  Never have aI self titled or compared myself to anyone in any interview.  I like you am puzzled about what the press focuses on, I would think most motorcyclists would rather see and read about our new engine over seeing or reading anything about me.  I will continue to do all I can to push the bike.

peace and ride safe.

Michael Czysz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JoeKing.</p>
<p>I do understand and respect your opinion.  As much as we try to control all aspects of our start up we don&#8217;t.  The area we control the least is what is written about us or the type and size of photos published.  I spend all my time thinking, working and talking about the bike.  Never have aI self titled or compared myself to anyone in any interview.  I like you am puzzled about what the press focuses on, I would think most motorcyclists would rather see and read about our new engine over seeing or reading anything about me.  I will continue to do all I can to push the bike.</p>
<p>peace and ride safe.</p>
<p>Michael Czysz</p>
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		<title>By: kneeslider</title>
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		<dc:creator>kneeslider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 18:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JoeKing,

&quot;Who I am is irrelevant. &quot;

On the contrary, who you are and what your qualifications are was brought up by you. Telling Michael Czysz you are professionally qualified to offer your insights makes his question perfectly proper and logical. To refresh your memory, you said:

&quot;Mr. Czysz, I do have an insight, which I am professionally qualified to make.&quot;

Well, what are those professional qualifications? We&#039;re all curious. If you continue to avoid the answer as you did above, then some might reasonably suspect you have none.

Your last comment above is starting to indicate that you have a particular and personal axe to grind and indeed you seem to take particular exception to Mr Czysz trying to build a motorcycle according to his own ideas rather than following along the tried and true path. Did you have a bad experience in your past that won&#039;t allow you to try something new? Do you always ask permission before stepping off in a new direction? 

Really, JoeKing, you have taken a stand that is so incredibly risk averse it&#039;s almost mind boggling and you are absolutely guaranteed to never succeed in business. (&quot;English friends here?&quot;) If you&#039;re from England, over here in the States, and down in Australia, too, it seems, we take on new challenges and try new things with ideas as big as we want and we keep after them until we succeed or go down in flames. If something slows us down, we don&#039;t stop, close up shop and say we failed. We keep going and try again. We may eventually run out of steam, be proven wrong or we may succeed beyond our wildest expectations and that pursuit makes life enjoyable and worth living. (If you&#039;re in the U.S., you should know this, you just don&#039;t agree.)

MotoGP is a high art with excellent minds and resources already in the game but it&#039;s not carved in stone with no way other than the current way. Michael Czysz may fail as you predict or he may succeed wildly or he may end up somewhere in between, but for you to condemn and criticize his attempt and aspirations is wrongheaded. You even toss out backhanded comments like &quot;The process for building race bikes is NOT the same as building homes.&quot; Thanks for pointing that out. However, what you might have missed is, that we don&#039;t require that you be born into a family of mechanics, engineers and motorcycle builders before taking on the black arts passed on in secret ceremony. If you want to build a bike, go for it. If you fall on your face, get up and try again. That seems so foreign to you. 

JoeKing, your side of this argument is one of pessimism and defeat and I dare say, there is little chance that you will ever see the opposite view or that those of us with a different perspective will ever see yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JoeKing,</p>
<p>&#8220;Who I am is irrelevant. &#8221;</p>
<p>On the contrary, who you are and what your qualifications are was brought up by you. Telling Michael Czysz you are professionally qualified to offer your insights makes his question perfectly proper and logical. To refresh your memory, you said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Mr. Czysz, I do have an insight, which I am professionally qualified to make.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, what are those professional qualifications? We&#8217;re all curious. If you continue to avoid the answer as you did above, then some might reasonably suspect you have none.</p>
<p>Your last comment above is starting to indicate that you have a particular and personal axe to grind and indeed you seem to take particular exception to Mr Czysz trying to build a motorcycle according to his own ideas rather than following along the tried and true path. Did you have a bad experience in your past that won&#8217;t allow you to try something new? Do you always ask permission before stepping off in a new direction? </p>
<p>Really, JoeKing, you have taken a stand that is so incredibly risk averse it&#8217;s almost mind boggling and you are absolutely guaranteed to never succeed in business. (&#8220;English friends here?&#8221;) If you&#8217;re from England, over here in the States, and down in Australia, too, it seems, we take on new challenges and try new things with ideas as big as we want and we keep after them until we succeed or go down in flames. If something slows us down, we don&#8217;t stop, close up shop and say we failed. We keep going and try again. We may eventually run out of steam, be proven wrong or we may succeed beyond our wildest expectations and that pursuit makes life enjoyable and worth living. (If you&#8217;re in the U.S., you should know this, you just don&#8217;t agree.)</p>
<p>MotoGP is a high art with excellent minds and resources already in the game but it&#8217;s not carved in stone with no way other than the current way. Michael Czysz may fail as you predict or he may succeed wildly or he may end up somewhere in between, but for you to condemn and criticize his attempt and aspirations is wrongheaded. You even toss out backhanded comments like &#8220;The process for building race bikes is NOT the same as building homes.&#8221; Thanks for pointing that out. However, what you might have missed is, that we don&#8217;t require that you be born into a family of mechanics, engineers and motorcycle builders before taking on the black arts passed on in secret ceremony. If you want to build a bike, go for it. If you fall on your face, get up and try again. That seems so foreign to you. </p>
<p>JoeKing, your side of this argument is one of pessimism and defeat and I dare say, there is little chance that you will ever see the opposite view or that those of us with a different perspective will ever see yours.</p>
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		<title>By: JoeKing</title>
		<link>http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2006/06/30/motoczysz-unveiling-racebikes-at-laguna-seca/#comment-34212</link>
		<dc:creator>JoeKing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 17:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Czysz

You are either a true believer in yourself or a glutten for punishment. I have perhaps been too harsh in my assessments here, as some of my English friends here will attest, my posts tend to be to be a bit OTT.

Who I am is irrelevant. What I am is a keen observer of past endeavors such as yours &amp; have seen almost all of them wither &amp; die for any number of reasons..the one most prevalent is what I am seeing here..HUBRIS.

I read your thoughts on &quot;process&quot; &amp; was agast with your arrogance to what, I believe, to be the first priority to making a &quot;world class&quot; race bike....acknowledgement of the current state of the art! The process for building race bikes is NOT the same as building homes. You seem imbued with the notion that YOU alone have been blessed with the vision to the podium. Get over yourself..you&#039;ll have to pay your dues. Incremental innovation is the lifeblood of success, &amp; I agree that you won&#039;t out-Japanesse the Japanesse (eventhough the Triumph 675 has)..but give them their due...the bikes WORK. No one has EVER succeeded with a clean sheet design..neither will you. Rob Tululie, who I dare say, is a bit more qualified than you (current head of R&amp;D for the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP WINNING Renault F1 team) didn&#039;t build a MotoGP bike..smart fella..

To indulge myself in a my own hubris..may I offer some advice. SHUN publicity untill you have PROVEN something, it will come to you when it is earned. Limit your scope to those ideas which you have the time &amp; resources to develop. The idea of a complete MotoGP bike with numerous advances is NONSENCE..you CAN&#039;T do it..it is not a personal failure to not play for the Yankee&#039;s.

I suspect that my words will be given the consideration that a blog post deserves (none); but if you continue on your current (misguided) path, you might look back here (haha) &amp; say..maybe that a-hole wasn&#039;t so full of it afterall...

Oh yeah, one more thing...you might tone down the &quot;Visionary&quot; ego thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Czysz</p>
<p>You are either a true believer in yourself or a glutten for punishment. I have perhaps been too harsh in my assessments here, as some of my English friends here will attest, my posts tend to be to be a bit OTT.</p>
<p>Who I am is irrelevant. What I am is a keen observer of past endeavors such as yours &amp; have seen almost all of them wither &amp; die for any number of reasons..the one most prevalent is what I am seeing here..HUBRIS.</p>
<p>I read your thoughts on &#8220;process&#8221; &amp; was agast with your arrogance to what, I believe, to be the first priority to making a &#8220;world class&#8221; race bike&#8230;.acknowledgement of the current state of the art! The process for building race bikes is NOT the same as building homes. You seem imbued with the notion that YOU alone have been blessed with the vision to the podium. Get over yourself..you&#8217;ll have to pay your dues. Incremental innovation is the lifeblood of success, &amp; I agree that you won&#8217;t out-Japanesse the Japanesse (eventhough the Triumph 675 has)..but give them their due&#8230;the bikes WORK. No one has EVER succeeded with a clean sheet design..neither will you. Rob Tululie, who I dare say, is a bit more qualified than you (current head of R&amp;D for the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP WINNING Renault F1 team) didn&#8217;t build a MotoGP bike..smart fella..</p>
<p>To indulge myself in a my own hubris..may I offer some advice. SHUN publicity untill you have PROVEN something, it will come to you when it is earned. Limit your scope to those ideas which you have the time &amp; resources to develop. The idea of a complete MotoGP bike with numerous advances is NONSENCE..you CAN&#8217;T do it..it is not a personal failure to not play for the Yankee&#8217;s.</p>
<p>I suspect that my words will be given the consideration that a blog post deserves (none); but if you continue on your current (misguided) path, you might look back here (haha) &amp; say..maybe that a-hole wasn&#8217;t so full of it afterall&#8230;</p>
<p>Oh yeah, one more thing&#8230;you might tone down the &#8220;Visionary&#8221; ego thing.</p>
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